Already a subscriber? Quick Links: There are numerous right fielders more deserving. The arguments against Maris include his struggles with durability and longevity, with his 1,463 games played being on the very low end for a candidate. Incidentally, my birthday is Mar15. Your login session has expired. be held against him. I'm going to back away from your examples of Kell and Mazeroski and replace them with Baines and Hunter. A pitcher with a career batting average of .192! I don't think anybody can argue reasonably that it isn't. Roger Maris Claim to fame: This October will mark the 50th anniversary of Roger Mariss 61st home run in the 1961 season. It broke Babe Ruths 34-year single season record and stood another 37 years until Mark McGwire hit 70 home runs in 1998, and it remains the defining achievement for Maris. Citing proof and linking to articles I am all for. Solid major leaguer with a real impact on mid 20th century MLB, but not a HOFer. It's likely that nobody in baseball history hasn't cheated on this record. Reporters from all over the country had converged upon Yankee Stadium. We could all stipulate that anybody who experienced an injury during the grueling season could have done it. With the Yankees, Reynolds went 131-60 with a 3.30 ERA in 295 regular-season games (209 starts), going 7-2 with a 2.79 ERA in 15 postseason games (nine starts). It came down to the final three games of the 1961 season. It was the Yankees versus the Red Sox. Then, he came back to close out Game 4, striking out Stan Lopata to record the save and secure the Yanks' 13th World Series title in franchise history. Only 263 have made it into the Hall of Fame. Mariss career stats will continue to be evaluated by future veterans committees, so for those pulling for him, theres always a possibility. Mazeroski, like Maris, was a.260 career hitter, but hit just 138 home runs in 17 seasons and never finished higher than eighth in the MVP voting. If Aaron Judge eclipses him, itll be quite an accomplishment. https://www.google.com/search?q=Ford+Frick+"Roger+Maris"+ruth&ei=QbjpYqjFE-3YkPIPl6aHsAE&ved=0ahUKEwjo6Yq-rKn5AhVtLEQIHRfTARYQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=Ford+Frick+"Roger+Maris"+ruth&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BwgAEEcQsAM6BQgAEJECOgUILhCRAjoRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQ0QM6CAguELEDEIMBOgsILhCABBCxAxCDAToFCAAQgAQ6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOhAILhCxAxCDARDHARDRAxBDOgQILhBDOgQIABBDOg0ILhCxAxCDARDUAhBDOggIABCxAxCDAToKCAAQsQMQgwEQQzoKCC4QsQMQgwEQQzoICC4QgAQQsQM6CgguELEDEIMBEAo6CAguENQCEJECOgsILhCABBDHARCvAToFCC4QgAQ6CAguEIAEENQCOgUIABCGAzoGCAAQHhAWOggIABAeEBYQCjoGCAAQHhANOgQIABAeOgUIIRCgAToFCCEQqwJKBAhBGABKBQhAEgExSgQIRhgAUIUEWNxmYN5oaARwAXgAgAHPAogBziqSAQgwLjMxLjIuMZgBAKABAcgBCLgBA8ABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz, Yes, folks I do realize, this is likley tantamount to "playing chess with pigeons" :sigh. | News Corp is a global, diversified media and information services company focused on creating and distributing authoritative and engaging content and other products and services. A two-time Most In the 60s-90s and most of the 2000s most people couldn't even watch this video easily. To use an analogy in the sportscard world - I bought my most expensive card ever last year which was 3x more than I ever paid for a card. The Hall of Fame Case for Roger Maris Baseball Egg Fastball, hit deep to right! Have you heard of Honus Wagner, Derek Jeter, Cal Ripken and host of others? Maris hit behind Bobby Richardson and Tony Kubek, and he had Mickey Mantle hitting behind him. Why isn't Roger Maris in the Hall of Fame Were gathering again for a baseball Hot Stove Luncheon (with a dash of NFL, too) on Thursday, Jan. 20 at 11:45 a.m. at Palm Valley Country Club in Palm Desert. I remember the newspapers and sports magazines were trying to create an adversary relationship between Roger and Mickey. Buffet lunch and guest speakers. Maris is a case that makes one think about what a Hall of Fame ought to be doing. During his career Roger Maris never received the credit he deserved. I would not be shocked if either/both made it someday from the Veterans committee. RSVP at [email protected]. Stallard got Maris out in his first at bat. Reynolds also became the first pitcher in AL history to toss two no-hitters in the same season in 1951. Maris hit 13 homers against the Senators and Angels. in fact, it puts me very much in mind of Brady Anderson in the 2 seasons does not a career make. I thnk Roger should b in the Hall. Personally, I regard Maris still to be baseballs season Home Run Leader, excluding Bonds, McGuire and Sosa. Barry Bonds was trained to be a baseball player since he was a child. Should Roger Maris be considered for Thanks for reading and the comment, Bob. Why isn't Roger Maris in the hall of fame? Not sure without looking it up. CU | WebHe had 4 very good seasons. But if you make a group of "elite" players and include Baines and Hunter along with Hederson and Seaver then the definition of greatness begins to lose meaning. With all due respect, I still think Mariss If Joe Namath is in the Football HOF, then I believe Roger Maris should also be in the baseball HOF. It takes decades often for the narratives to soften for the MLB HOF voting members to offer their "peace pipe" & get excellence recognized. I liked baseball and baseball cards when I was a kid. (As a huge Mike Schmidt fan, I often wonder what he would have done if his career was shifted 10-15 years in either direction to take advantage of expansion/stadium design. Should Roger Maris (left) be in the Hall of Fame with Mickey Mantle? If Aaron Judge eclipses him, itll be quite an accomplishment. Two players who were incredibly famous for a few short years. Roger Maris I don't know who trained Tiger Woods. That's how news traveled back then. Since it was established in 1936, the National Baseball Hall of Fame has amassed 333 elected members. Among those honored are some of the greatest MLB players to ever play. Yet not everyone makes it into the Hall of Fame, prompting outcries from fans. One hotly debated omission involves former New York Yankees great Roger Maris. The HOF has really gone downhill and has become the hall of pretty good so Maris should be in. But, Maris is way, way more famous than any baseball player not in the HOF. https://EzineArticles.com/expert/Mickey_Morgan/1169320, http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Isnt-Roger-Maris-in-the-Baseball-Hall-of-Fame?&id=6537020. "Maz" was inducted mainly due to his eight Gold Gloves and World Series clinching home run in Game 7 of 1960 World Series. Successful dealings with Wcsportscards94558, EagleEyeKid, SamsGirl214, Volver, DwayneDrain, Oaksey25, Griffins, Cardfan07, Etc. How sweet. If Judge increased his mass anymore from his starting point he'd never be able to turn on ball or even get out of bed. Before that, Curry covered the Yankees from 1991-1997. What has happened to sports cards in the past 20 years really bothers me. You can probably assume that means a HR, especially if that was a statement he used frequently. But claiming he is ANYWHERE near Kaline or Clemente with the glove is just silly. I admit I wanted Mickey to break the record, but after he was out of the race I was routing for Roger. Aaron , Robinson , Clemente and Colavito were all great players but Maris was probably better as an overall defensive player, even than Clemente.Roger Maris, who won two Most Valuable Player Awards, primarily for his offense, was better at fielding, in my opinion than hitting. He would hit two home runs in his first game as a Yankee, finishing the season with 39 home runs, a .283 batting average, and an MVP award. Article viewed iconAn icon to mark the viewed articles Sign in or register to get started. Acquired by the Yankees in October 1946, Reynolds flourished in New York, as he was a five-time All-Star and a six-time World Series champion over his eight seasons with the Yanks. setting a record does not warrant induction. But all Roger Maris was known for was 61 swings that produced 61 homers in 1961. You will be charged Why Hall of Fame His personal hitting coach helped Judge from the beginning of his Yankee career, teaching him a set of unorthodox swing mechanics which potentiate his power. Roger Maris Given the number of legitimate reporters covering the race between him and Mantle and the number of fans attending the games, there is no possible way any of it could have been staged. He also worked at The News Journal in Wilmington, Del., and for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. He doesn't backpedal and turn or anything. ( COOPERSTOWN, NY) The 1961 baseball season, which found Americans riveted to the great Maris-Mantle home run race, will be celebrated upon its 60th anniversary with the donation of a Roger Maris Yankees jersey from that season. Jack Curry has covered baseball for the The New York Times for 18 seasons. It's hard to watch average NFL players and even convicts get into the NFL HOF while MLB struggles to acknowledge generational stars ~ in many cases careers like Dave Parker, Steve Garvey and Dale Murphy made the All Star team in almost every season in which they played. Maris is an extraordinary example of stardom. The Hall of Fame DOES have a records room which celebrates record holders and award winners, etc. Read2 hours ago | Michael Doran, Article viewed iconAn icon to mark the viewed articles He was a very good player with a short-ish career containing two elite seasons (1960 and 1961, when he won the AL MVP both times and broke Babe Ruth's home run record during the latter season). But what makes you think Chet Lemon would know who belongs in the Hall of Fame? The record may be broken, but many younger fans are finding the answer to an important: Who was Roger Maris? Some fans disagreed with my saying Maris does not quite reach the standards of the Baseball Hall of Fame because of his modest batting average (.260), That was mostly because he batted behind Mickey Mantle, but Maris was named MVP in 1960. That record stood for 37 years. I'll probably get all 6s. WebRoger Maris deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because he made a permanent mark in baseball history. He had a fine 822 OPS, which for that era was very good. Pretty huge accomplishment. According to the record he wore the number 19 for the 1961 season only. Players like Hack Wilson, Cardinal Red Schoendienst, Yankee shortstop Phil Rizzuto, and Philly Richie Ashburn. Should say North Dakota, sorry about the error. He played for four different teams (Cleveland Indians, Kansas City Royals, New York Yankees and St. Louis Cardinals). The voice of Phil Rizzuto broadcast the moment. "But it was another Yankee that did it. game in each of three others.). But his size doesn't guarantee anything. Dwight Evans and Frank Howard, to name just two. "He threw me a pitch outside and I just went with it," Maris would say later. Ill gladly disagree with the author, he was not alive to enjoy what that did for baseball! Should Roger Maris finally be inducted in the Baseball Hall of Fame He was critical for 5 pennants and 2 world series for Yankees. . Excellent player, both offensively and defensively, but not HofF. Over 1,463 games, Maris logged 195 doubles, 42 triples, 275 home runs and 850 RBIs. I dont claim to be an expert but I am a huge baseball fan. I think to speculate on anyone cheating is unfair. The HOF has really gone downhill and has become the hall of pretty good so Maris should be in. He New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. So, according to you only people who are alive at the time can comment on history? Roger Maris: Many still believe his 61 home runs in 1961 is still the single-season home run record. I changed the contrast on this image. Holy Cow, he did it! But he struck out, flied out and grounded out. 61 on the last day of the season. If "incredibly famous for a few short years" is a criterion, then Canseco, Mattingly, Strawberry, Gooden, and Hershiser should all be in. Can this nonsensical direction this thread has taken please stop? IMO Munson had a better case than Maris. Roger Maris I don't talk to people about baseball. Maris has 1.325 hits in his 12-year career, which by the way, would be one of the shorter careers for a position player in the Hall of Fame. Roger Maris is not in the Hall of Fame : r/NYYankees In the fourth inning, Maris came to bat again. Personally, I regard Maris still to be baseballs season Home Run Leader, excluding Bonds, McGuire and Sosa. Sarcasm in text is tough. By the end of June he had hit 27 and by the end of July Maris had hit 40 home runs. The rest were cheaters and Roger wasnt. He and his wife, Rebecca, live in Manhattan. Read22 hours ago | Allan Ripp, Article viewed iconAn icon to mark the viewed articles Roger was MVP in 1960 because Yankees finished 2nd in 1959 with Bauer and Woodling in RF and Roger helped Yankees win AL pennant again. Also he pretty much weighed the same prior his first call going back to high school. If Kirby Puckett is a first ballot Hall of Famer, Maris deserves the nod from the Veteran's Committee. "I hated to see the record broken," Phil Rizzuto said. He played his final Major League game at age 34, retiring with a career .260/.345/.476 slash line. WebThe only reason he still gets consideration is because of the 6 World Series he won with the Yanks because he was a phenomenal pitcher and post-season pitcher who played for one of the winningest dynasties in baseball history. Others were glad I mentioned that Maris led the 1960s with World Series appearances seven, including four championships and that he was the most valuable player in 1960 and 1961. Silva wrote: Comets are fast! in which I wrote that his 61 home runs looked better than ever after a half century. Mickey Morgan| Likewise for Maris - Maris circling the bases and the guy emerging from the scramble holding up the ball are the only visible evidence of the homerun. From Kirk Gibson to Elroy Face, 10 baseball players not Or that Jose Molina or David Wells knows enough about baseball history to know who should get a plaque? No one will believe you. Reynolds was honored with a plaque in Yankee Stadium's Monument Park in '89. His teammates finally let him into the dugout. Maybe roger never makes it to the Hall, thats ok. Finally, Maris waved his cap to the cheering crowd of 23,154 fans that gave him a standing ovation. Kind of like Tiger Woods. Note: Bill Mazeroskis series-winning home run for the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1960 certainly deserves to be on the list, but Mazeroski is already in the baseball Hall of Fame the one in Cooperstown. Maris was also a 7 time Allstar selection with Gold Gloves. I've always been a big Maris fan, but don't see how it would be possible to make it into the Hall after an 11-year career. Judge had something like 900 unique cards graded by PSA before he played a major league game. I mean it's hard to choose him over Rudi or Bando, much less the likes of Jackson or Grich. By ALL accounts over the past 60+ years both Roger Maris and his surviving family were decent, honest, kind, god-fearing people. He held the home run crown for so many years and his contribution to baseball probably should have given him what he needed; the call to Cooperstown. "Roger Maris was as good a man and as good a ballplayer as there ever was. Yankees All-Time Team >The 100 Greatest Right Fielders of All-Time >The All-Time Player Rankings >20 Greatest Yankees of All-Time >. The only thing Roger Maris had going for him was a major record. Reputation: 2587. Maris should be in the Hall of fame. This also helped to counter the negative impact from the shift in the National League from smaller stadiums to the larger multi-purpose stadiums. What if a lot of people had money on Maris not breaking this record and the commissioner just gave it to him for publicity. My Man Taxerman, a faithful Yankees fan, also reinforced my observation that Maris was a superb right fielder. Roger Maris played Major League Ball (MLB) for 12 seasons, from 1957-1968. The guy was the best at his position for more than half his career. Reynolds pitched a two-hit shutout in Game 1 of the 1949 World Series against the Brooklyn Dodgers in a 1-0 Yankees win. Was it just his big lead in RBI to the extent of everything else? Known as Superchief, Reynolds was the Yankees best pitcher of the late 1940s and early 1950s. He previously worked for the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and Major League Baseball Advanced Media. Similarly, at least in my opinion, Hank Aaron remains baseballs all time Home Run leader to this day, regardless of Bud Selig, who was complicit in the era of I stand by what I wrote about Maris: there isnt enough of a career there to merit Hall of Fame election. Number 60 came at Yankee Stadium off Baltimore's Bill Fisher on September 26. If Joe Namath is in the Football HOF, then I believe Roger Maris should also be in the baseball HOF. It looks like you're new here. But in 61 had 20 fresh, inexperienced, lesser pitchers to face in expansion teams and across the league. Koufax was clearly one of the best arms in his prime, but his career was so brief, especially considering he didn't hit his stride until it was nearly halfway over! Does he deserve to be in? No one broke that 61 HR record until the Steroid Era & sadly those cheaters will probably be inducted eventually! Or maybe the book would only have to win the big ones 10% more often than they should. Maris was shut out during a twi-night doubleheader (games 152 and 153). That 61 Hrs stood for decades & many other HOF inducted players had the chance to break it but didnt. He HAD an overall body of work. With a resume such as his, and the attention brought to Maris by Aaron Judge, has left many fans asking: why is Maris not in the Hall of Fame? There have been other Veteran's Committee selectees that compare favorably to Maris. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence - Oscar Wilde. Maris received three or fewer votes from the 16-member committee appointed by the Hall of Fame to review a 10-candidate Golden Era ballot. HOF enshrinement should be based on the players overall body of work. Is this new new Crisser? For years I thought that breaking Ruths record all by itself should qualify him for the Hall, but you make a good argument. South Dakota?? He ranks 64th in BBRef WAR among right fielders. He is still the single season non juiced HR record holder. As far as Cardgeek is concerned, I suppose the earth is flat and the moon landings were staged in Hollywood. (In 1989 Fernando Tatis of the Cardinals hit two grand slams in the same inning!). Superb comment, Mark. As we show in our 100 Greatest Right Fielders rankings, Evans is well deserving: https://baseballegg.com/all-time-player-rankings/baseballs-greatest-right-fielders-of-all-time/, Mick you have made absolutely fantastic observations. I don't even think there's a fair slippery slope case because in 60 years nobody without mostly verified allegations has topped him. The writers hold grudges against players they dont like for instance look at Del Ennis he had the most RBIs in the decade of the 50e more than Stan Musial, Eddie Matthews,Hank Aaron, Mickey Mantle Willie Mays and yet hes not in the HoF. Of course I didnt but It would suck to be labeled a thief without any evidence. Maris had 58 home runs on September 18 when the Yankees came to Baltimore for a four game series. And in the early 1960s, if you drove in a lot of runs and played for the pennant-winning team, you basically won the MVP. I have read alot about baseball and the greats of the game. It's hard to watch average NFL players and even convicts get into the NFL HOF while MLB struggles to acknowledge generational stars ~ in many cases careers like Dave Parker, Steve Garvey and Dale Murphy made the All Star team in almost every season in which they played. Maris is an extraordinary example of stardom. Not only for HR record setter, but MVP, world series champ, etc. Imagine that? He was a good right fielder, very strong, and he could run some too. a few of his seasons were Hall of Fame level. 1961 was the same season that Mantle missed time due to the botched steroid injection he received during the season. Lets all return every book on Abraham Lincoln or new works on World War II, because the authors werent alive then. He can be reached [email protected]. I really don't think there are fixes to a lot of the problem in these industries. Nunez Impresses With Bat, if Not His Glove, Fantasy Focus: Mostly Lesser Known Keeper Targets, Yankees Set to Resume Cano Negotiations, With Sides Still Far Apart, Alderson Delivers More Laughs, but Few Definitive Answers, Some Options for Granderson and the Yankees. Maris broke babe Ruths single season home run record, but then you never hear much else WebThe "M&M Boys" were the duo of New York Yankees baseball players Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris, who were teammates from 1960 to 1966.They gained prominence during the 1961 season, when Maris and Mantle, batting third and cleanup (fourth) in the Yankee lineup respectively, both challenged Babe Ruth's 34-year-old single-season record of 60 home WebDuring his career Roger Maris never received the credit he deserved. When he hit the 61st home run I screamed so loud I had a headache for about a week." Ford Frick was a good buddy of Babe Ruth's he did not want anyone breaking the Babe's record. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Dan Holmes is the author of three books about baseball, including Ty Cobb: A Biography. And that lots of people hated him for the rest of his career for having the nerve to break Babe Ruths record. I've actually changed my mind about Maris. Agree. Maris did not accomplish that. You have every right to admire Maris, to be his fan, to argue for his Hall of Fame election. [deleted] 9 yr. ago Why isn't Roger Maris in the Hall of Fame? - Page 2 And, just as importantly to me, inducting Maris would be an indirect way to acknowledge that not only did Maris set that record, he holds that record to this day. the latest updates from spring training. He really had little baseball left in him when he played his final games for the Cardinals in 1968. If nothing else, Maris should at least have a spot in the Hall of Fame . Maybe that doesnt put him over the top, but it deserves more than a brief mention. Before my time. I have seen plenty of highlights and video footage. Maris would be a very unusual selection for the Hall of Fame. He would finish his career with a total of 11 home runs. A His strongest showing on the BBWAA ballot was in 1968, when he received 33.6 percent of the vote. Im 46 and never got to see roger or mickey or any others play during that time of baseball. Gil Hodges, Jim Kaat, Minnie Mioso and Tony Oliva were elected by the Golden Days Era Committee (1950-69), while Bud Fowler and Buck ONeil were chosen by the Early Baseball Era Committee (pre-1950), as announced on MLB Network. Mariss career stats will continue to be evaluated by future veterans committees, so for those pulling for him, theres always a possibility. Maris, a two-time AL MVP who hit 61 home runs in 1961 to break Babe Ruth's single-season record, received 43.1% in his final BBWAA ballot appearance in 1988. We could all stipulate that Mick could have beaten it. I think Mays and Aaron and others may also have hit 40 or more. Why has he been passed over? MLB Never Forgave Roger Maris for Beating Babe Ruth - WSJ Roger Maris in the same way that the actor James Dean went fast around here. I'm not saying they shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame, but in my opinion, Roger Maris' contribution to baseball far exceeds all of theirs combined. @dallasactuary said: There were over 500 other baseball players during this expansion era and they did not hit 61 home runs. On the one hand, youll be remembered. Gil Hodges - Does He Belong in the Hall of Fame? Here are my reasons/rebuttals that Maris does not belong in the Hall of Fame.
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